French: Put space between the end of a sentence and punctuation
Appending an exclamation mark or a question mark (only those two) right after a word is grammatically incorrect in French.
e.g.: "I love SwiftKey X!" should be "I love SwiftKey X !"
Nearly all the keyboards on Android except the stock one does this mistake (even the physical
keyboard on my previous Motorola phone when auto-punctuation was enabled). It would be great if SwiftKey X did that !
In french, I don't have the autospace before "!" and and "?". This bug seems to be fixed for some users but still not working for me (Motorola Defy plus - Android 2.3.4)
En français, il y a un espace avant le ! et le ?
Même si je mets cet espace à la main, celui-ci est supprimé par la correction automatique. Serait-il possible de corriger cela ?
Hello. Your Keyboard is doing a very good job! I only have one very annoying problem : in French, there is a space before AND after those characters :!? :;
but they are always getting removed by Swiftkey so that I just can't write a well structured text!
Can you please correct this little automatisation?
In french, there must be a space before '?', '!', '...'
For example in French there is a space before a question mark.
There are bugs in the French language pack: in France, there is a space between a word and an exclamation/interrogation mark, and a space after each coma, full stop etc.(Ex: Bonjour, je voudrais une baguette !)
Swiftkey doesn't allow that at the moment, and it's been a while since French users are complaining about this (more than 6 months I believe).
I hope this will be fixed,
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Swiftkey keeps deleting the space manually typed and it automatically deletes the space (in French). Galaxy S2 Android 2.3.6 Thank you
Le "? " et le "! " ce colle au mot quand on effectue une mression desuis il ne laisse pas d'espace entre les mots
Punctuation problem in French language.
Add a space in front of the following signs : ; " ! ?
1) but in French, I type "CARTON ORANG" elect the suggested word ORANGE, to get "CARTON ORANGE " (with a space after orange) add a dot (point), and the system deletes the blank, goes back to add the point and, after it, add a blank so that we correctly get "CARTON ORANGE. " 2) Now instead of a dot-point I give a ; and the system will give "CARTON ORANGE ; ", with correctly a space after the word orange (such are the French rules) 3) Now I go to the Portuguese language and keybodrd and give a ; and the system will give "CARTON ORANGE ; ", instead of "CARTON ORANGE; " withthout a space after the word orange. The same error occurrs in Russian. Check the rules in French : ":" with a space before and one after ";" with a space before and one after "?" with a space before and one after "!" with a space before and one after. Other languages, no blank space before the signs ; : ! and ?
In French, a grammar rule tends to put a space before and after
a punctuation made of two parts, like ; :?and!
As you can see, SwiftKey don't respect that rule.
corriger les espaces pour "?" et "! " en français
In french punctuation, there is a space between the last word of a sentence and the characters "?" and "!" like : "SwiftKey c'est trop bien !" or "Vous pouvez fixer ça lors d'une prochaine mise à jour ?" ;-)
In French (fr_Fr), double ponctuation has always à spaces before. Today this spaces are automatically delete. Concern ponctuation :?!...
Eg: "C'est un bug ! " is replaced by "C'est un bug! "
In French and other languages probably, we put a space before "?" and "!" but it's very annoying to do it with SwiftKey.
In french, there is a space between the word and the double punctuation. (:?!;) SwiftKey doesn't match with those french practices. Can you, at least, make it optionnal? Thanks
Provide the option to enable space before punctuation mark made of to parts (for instance ; : ! " or ?) (in order to match french grammar)
Provide the option to enable auto-space after punctuation mark
The french punctuation has been wrong since forever when using french and english at the same time, rendering the app unusable for french-speaking people (or very difficult). This subject has been expressed by SwitfKey as "something they would look for" but clearly not urgent. Oh well...
In french (canadian french as well), there is a space before (and after) an exclamation point and an exclamation mark. These are the two main problems I've came across using the app. Please add if you saw others using french in SwitfKey.
I'd like to be able to use SwitfKey for my everyday activities, but this is just too annoying. A simple fix of that would allow me and the french community a great relief. Thank you!
For those who want to remove the feature in french, it can be done easily by modifying the file
Internal storage -> data -> com.touchtype.swiftkey -> files -> fr_FR-live -> punctuation-SDK1.2.json
replace it all by
"version" : 2,
"lang" : "fr_FR",
"dependency" : "default"
Then a reboot is necessary. The modification usually disappears after an update.
Not sure if the other files need to be modified (punctuation.json and folder fr_FR)
Just do a backup of the files before!
Anonymous, then buy a Bescherelle book,which is THE reference for French topics like grammar, vocabulary or conjugate.
Haha, merci Anonymous, mais je crois qu'on a pas besoin de toi pour nous apprendre à écrire notre propre langue. Et pas d'inquiétude pour tes messages en Français, ils sont très bien comme ça, laisse faire Swiftkey.
Si vraiment tu veux aller au bout du truc, avant un point d'interrogation ou d'exclamation on met une espace fine insécable.
I don't like this feature. It makes all my texts and emails on French look weird.
I've never heard of this rule in French typing (and I went to school in France from preschool to the end of my master's degree)
Look at books and scholar papers, there is no space before exclamation or question marks.
je suis pour!
Same question here... It's been adding the spaces before : and ; for a while! But still no way to solve the ambiguous situations when one has English and French installed... Or just to turn off this feature (again, this rule doesn't apply in Switzerland, contrary to what has been written here)
More and more disappointed with the way SwiftKey people handle requests :-(
This idea is completed, does it mean it's been implemented, or that it did not get enough votes to be planned in a future release?
Yes, this is so bothersome. Question marks and Exclamations, it adds a space. Especially when I want to write a quote or a tweet, when I'm use to writing in English format.
Perhaps this feature should be a choice on the main Swift X settings. This punctuation style happens in French and possibly a few other languages. When I would like it in English format and vice versa for other people.
Note: When I write a quote (French keyboard). There is no space when I enter ".-"
Ex: Had no need of a guide to learn ignorance.-Voltaire
There needs a space for ". -"
I got this answer in my mailbox, doesn't seem to have been published here and can't answer to the mail, so I'll take the liberty of putting the conversation here:
Trak commented on No space between the end of a sentence and punctation in French
If we go through the route of suppressing whitespaces, we should do it fully : in the middle ages there were no spaces between words they were all glued together. So let's suppress ALL these useless spaces !
More seriously, there is a rule, we stick with it. We could set up an option for French variants which don't use those spaces, but for those which do use them they have to be here. As for orphaned character, that's what non-breakable spaces are for.
Technology should be adapted to humans, not humans to it.
So I answered:
I get your point.
But then, please indeed find a way for french speaking minorities like Swiss people, who don't have this rule, to be able to disable it.
Or, if you want to maintain the French French hegemony, please at least make your software work when English language is also installed.
I am fed up with getting this mix of space and no space, this looks really ugly for a paying software.
Thanks in advance.
I do agree with andreid.
Although these rules are followed in books, most of my french friends never use these extra spaces in mails or text messages.
On top of that, and again, the implementation is totally buggy when having french and english installed. Because some words are the same in english or friends, eg nicknames, or we use english words in french. So you'll get, in a message in french:
Hello! Ca va ? Moi ça va ! Embrasse bien Tipiou!
Which is very bad. A deal breaker, actually. Looking into other keyboards already, which is really too bad because otherwise swiftkey is great.
I totally agree with Eric. The current implementation might not be the best but it is already better than the old one. NBSP's would be ideal of course if possible.
I am sorry I don't agree.
Don't change the rules to match the tools, but tools should follow languages rules and their changes.
Insecable spaces are made for this purpose to avoid orpheans characters.
English people need to understand that their language is not the best, and that some differences need to be respected in other languages.
As long as luangage did not change, I don't see the point in not updating the tools to respect that. I don't want to see those spaces removed, on paper and on screen!
SPACES MULTIPLY ORPHAN CHARACTERS ON COMPUTER SCREENS. AVOID IMPLEMENTATION AT ALL COST. THIS SILLY TYPOGRAPHIC RULE BELONGS TO THE GÜTENBURG ERA! I REMIND ALL CONCERNED PARTIES THAT WE ARE IN 2012. A SCREEN IS NOT PRINTED PAPER.
Spaces in front of some capricious typo rules should be banned on computer screens.
Hello, I'm also from Switzerland and I would really like to remove spaces before punctuation... Could this be an option ? It would be really great, and I would buy this keyboard without any doubt :) Thanks a lot !
Thank you for your answer Éric, so there is a bug for me, I don't have autospace before "!" and "?" (Motorola Defy plus - Android 2.3.4)
PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE Swiftkey find a quick way to make this buggy feature optional!
Or create a Swiss French language that doesn't have it!
Having english and french installed is a real nightmare!
Meanwhile, is there a way to revert to version 2? It would solve the bugs temporarily...
The problem is fixed for those characters "," "." "!" and "?"
However, for ":" and ";" this is still a problem.
The problem is fixed for you ? (because it's not for me...)
I'm swiss, and I had never heard of this rule indeed! So for me it is a bit annoying to have these extra spaces!
On top of that, with french and english installed, there are some bugs in the current implementation, it does not always apply the rule, depending on the context.
I would suggest to add an option ïn the settings giving the choice to have the space or not! So purists would be happy, and swiss people as well ;)
Thanks in advance to consider my request!